Thursday, July 20, 2006

WCBS Airs Segment on Jews for Jesus

I assume the above link is the transcript.
"I think they should be proselytizing on the street," one woman complained.

One Jewish man practically flew into a rage.

"You've never heard about the Spanish Inquisition?" he asks. "You heard about the many times we have been killed, prosecuted, executed because of Jesus?" he asked.

The street volunteers are undeterred. They sell themselves not a converts, but as fulfilled Jews who have accepted Jesus as the messiah.

The group recently mailed 80,000 DVDs in Yiddish to Orthodox Jews. Its label shows a picture of a Jewish figure blowing the shofar, the traditional Jewish ram's horn that summons the faithful to prayer. It's titled "Days of Moshiach."

Viewing it, you see what appears to be a depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The words are Yiddish, but the images are from a production by the Campus Crusade for Christ. Mainstream Jewish leaders are unanimous in their condemnation of the recruitment technique.

"It's deceptive," complained Michael Miller of the Jewish Community Relations Council. "It's wrong, and it's offensive. You can't be two religions at once."

Miller said it's like a case of false advertising. "Hebrew Christianity" would be a better term, he suggested. The fact that their chapels have no crosses and the ceremonies borrow from Jewish tradition doesn't change the core break with Judaism.

"Say you're evangelical, and we'll shut up," he said. "To say that you're Jewish, that in fact you are more Jewish because you believe in Jesus is offensive."

The Jews for Jesus, though, see it differently.

"You can be a Jew and an agnostic," she observed. "Or a Jew who believes Menachem Schneerson is the messiah, but if you're a Jew for Jesus suddenly that's no good."

It's worth mentioning, though, that not everyone in Jews for Jesus is actually a Jew. Non-Jews are common behind the scenes helping with the logistics of the well-financed street campaign. At the group's Manhattan headquarters, CBS 2 saw rooms filled with stacks of pamphlets, New Testament Bibles in Yiddish, Russian language pamphlets featuring Holocaust survivors who've found Jesus, and rooms of volunteers waiting to take to the streets.

Trash bags filled with the pamphlet of the day are lined up in the hallway leading to the front door. Volunteers hit the streets in four shifts daily -- in the boroughs and the suburbs.

Many are the children of original Jews for Jesus members from the '60s and '70s. Others are more recent converts.

Dan Sered said he is an Israeli citizen. "Born and raised in Israel," he offered. "100 percent Jewish and 100 percent Christian."

The guy who mentioned the Inquisitions and stuff. Good question. We'll deal with it later on this blog.


Blogger Sultan Knish said...

read Stan Telchin, a former big wheel with Jews for Jesus, he pegs the number of non-jews at 80 percent

he's countered with a more mainstream messianic estimate of 50 percent

as far as the spanish inquisition goes, with the fall of theocracies and totalitarian christian regimes, christians can no longer force jews to convert so they resort to guile and deception calling a church a synagogue, etc

either one is evil in the eyes of both God and men

7/20/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger geoffrobinson said...

There are a lot of Jewish believers outside of Messianic congregations as well. But the main thing is that Jews and Gentiles have become one in Messiah, each retaining their own identity. Actually, the Tanakh prophecies such a thing.

As Isaiah wrote:
It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations (goyim), that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.

As far as the Spanish Inquisition goes, I'll be posting about that soon.

Your belief that we secretly want to compel conversion is tantamount to saying you know our motivations you aren't privy too.

Did you know that Baptist tradition takes a dim view of forced conversions and tying church to state? How does that square with your belief that this is all a big Baptist front group?

Or is your reaction primarily based on emotion?

7/21/2006 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger Sultan Knish said...

in other words you're glossing over the fact that most of jews for jesus is non-jewish

but if everyone is 'one' in jesus then why call it 'jews for jesus', why not call it 'nations for jesus' or 'peoples for jesus'

if I were to open an organization called 'norwegians for buddhism' most of which consisted of chinese people, everyone would be perfectly right to accuse me of mislabeling and fraud

your Isaiah quote of course says nothing about Jews and Christians becoming one, it says that Jews will be a light to the nations, while the aim for Jews for Jesus is to use the nations to brink the darkness of paganism to the Jews, much as the priests of Baal did in their time

"Your belief that we secretly want to compel conversion is tantamount to saying you know our motivations you aren't privy too."

No just the lessons of history. And the very fact that you're running conversion by deception demonstrates a willingness to use foul means to get what you want. Compulsion is only one further step.

"Did you know that Baptist tradition takes a dim view of forced conversions and tying church to state?"

Someone should inform the Southern Baptist Convention since they've been tying Church to State for a while as the central issue

7/21/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Moshe ben Avraham said...

Baptists may take a "dim" view on forced conversions, but have no qualms with manipulation of the highest degree to convince people to convert. Jews for Jesus are not a Baptists front group, but a mosly Evengilical front group. And accusing sultan's reaction as being emotional makes you a hypocrit. What is the most common Jews for Jesus conversion tecnique? Using emotioal vunerbility to convince Jews the answer lies with Jesus.

7/21/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Moshe ben Avraham said...

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7/21/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger geoffrobinson said...

Your stuff has been interacted with in above posts.

It's starting to bore me. Blame the messenger. Tell me how bad the messenger is. Common tactic.

Start attacking the message. Show me that you accurately understand the message. Show me that you understand the passages in the Tanakh we appeal to.

7/21/2006 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Sultan Knish said...

why in the world would I care about the message?

do you spend time researching every world religion and debating its message? it would quickly become tedious.

since I have faith in G-d, your message is irrelevant

7/26/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger Rich said...

LOL if the message is so irrelevant to you, why are you so upset about it?

7/26/2006 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger geoffrobinson said...

The message isn't irrelevant if it is true.

7/26/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger Sultan Knish said...

G-d is upset over false messages, particularly ones that lead his people into idolatry.

Shouldn't I be?

7/27/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Rich said...

At last we agree on something, God hates idolatry.

7/27/2006 06:00:00 PM  

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