Things Heard on New York City Streets II: God Doesn't Have a Son
I heard from one of the Jews for Jesus campaigners that this comment is coming up a lot. While much can be said, I found a nice and succinct expert from an article which can be found here.
From the article:
From the article:
You might protest, "But don't Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God? But if Jesus is God, how can he be the Son of God? Look, you're making a man into God, and on top of that, God doesn't have a son!"
Again, not true! In Exodus 4:22-23, Israel is called God's "son."15 The King of Israel is referred to as God's "son" in I Chronicles 17:13.16 That the Messiah would also be God's son is stated in the Talmud:
'Our Rabbis taught, The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the son of David (May he reveal himself speedily in our days),'Ask of me anything and I will give it to thee, as it is said [Ps. 2:7,8]. I will tell of the decree: [The Lord hath said unto me, "Thou art my son;] this day have I begotten thee, ask of me and I will give the nations for thy inheritance."'
The idea in the Scriptures is not that a man became God--God forbid--but that the Messiah would himself be God coming as a man. Isaiah 9:6 portrays the coming of the Messiah in these terms: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." But if God is indeed a "tri-unity," then it is possible for the Messiah both to be called God and also to exist in a relationship characterized as "son of God." This is the conclusion we Jews who believe in Jesus are driven to as we study the Scriptures. With our fellow Jews, we affirm that "the Lord our God, the Lord is one"--a oneness characterized by a "tri-unity."
posted by geoffrobinson at 2:42 PM
8 Comments:
All those quotes from the Tenack are irrelevant because they are in English and as we all know the ancient Popes purposely mistranslated the Tenack to suit thier purposes of conversion. The same idea is being implemented by Jews for Jesus. Want the real quotes? Read the Tenack in Hebrew and learn the language better. And watch all these so called verses prophocizing Jesus go up in smoke.
All major English translations are based on the original Hebrew texts and are translated by people who study and have studied the Hebrew language. The understanding you have about modern translations of the Tanakh is just not correct.
Furthermore, I know of no popes who purposely mistranslated the Tanakh. Actually, I know of no pope who translated the Tanakh.
If you have an actual example of a mistranslation, esp. in regards to Isaiah 9 or something pertinent to this discussion, I would be willing to entertain it.
Moshe ben (I presume - not bon) avraham -
This is narrishkeit. Popes don't go around translating Tanach. What are you talking about?
Apologize for my spelling. I have just recently learned Hebrew and unless I have seen the word in Hebrew I am unsure of the correct spelling. Actually the ancient Greeks mistranslated the books of Tanakh except for Torah. It is true the rabbis of the time translated all the books of the Tanakh (but under pressure by the Greek rulers), but not the Torah. That was the one thing the rabbis refused to do. I am actually not educated enough to quote mistranslated verses in Tanakh except for obvious ones such as the born of a virgin in Isaiah. I am aware of the early popes mistranslating Tanakh, but am unable to prove this as well. I do not always pay attention to detail, but get the general feel for the argument. Hence, my generalizations.
Moshe,
When you get more information and would like to discuss this topic feel free to drop me an email. Can be found on my main website http://www.geoffrobinson.net
Or feel free to contact Jews for Jesus.
everyone is God's son but no one is God
we are all children of God but none of us presume to take his place, not even Jesus did in your own bible. It's Christianity itself which was responsible for that when it needed to displace God in favor of a human idol.
The Church of Jesus LDS believes there's a mother in heaven too. Many Christians believe there's a son. Legitimate monotheism, whether it's Judaism, some branches of Christianity and Islam, believe that God is one and don't create a heavenly family for him as pagans do, because we are his family.
Christians do not believe the Son is a created being. "In the beggining was the Word. And the Word was with God. And the Word was God."
Please see my post and related article on God's Strange Angel.
Moshe:
1) Google "Septuagint" and see what comes up. Ancient rabbis did indeed translate the entire Tanach -- Torah and all -- into Greek.
2) You say that you're aware of early popes mistranslating the Tanach, but unable to prove it. Given the hostile attitude you have displayed on this and other Jews for Jesus-related blogs, what would make you think anyone would take your statements seriously if you have no evidence to support them? Any credibility you possessed until now -- a slim amount to begin with -- just went out the window. Until you provide evidence to support such ridiculous assertations, any further statements of this nature will need to be taken as lashon hara.
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